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I was gonna do “should I wear a poppy” this week but every other fucker and her dog is gonna be doing that shit so Imma do something else instead.
Ah you know what fuck it I’m doing it. Mine’ll be better than them other suckers’ bullshit “articles” anyway.
Alright, so for years as an adult I used to wear a poppy. Felt like a grown up thing to do. Felt like I was supporting something noble. Felt like something a proper person would do. Then somebody I know was like “why you doing that shit, that shit is supporting a load of shady shit, you shouldn’t do that shit” (I’m paraphrasing). I can’t really remember what her argument was but it was convincing and I stopped wearing a poppy for a couple of years. Plus I didn’t really have an amazing handle on what the date was for a bit there.
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I was too busy hanging out with my mate Peter.
Anyway, now it’s definitely poppy time and I can’t remember why I wasn’t wearing one, so I’m thinking maybe I should wear one. But I haven’t really thought about why I think that, and I’m pretty sure the reason not to was a good one, so I don’t really know. The recurring theme in this riveting saga is that I’ve never really thought about it for myself, just done what someone’s said I should do. But I’ve got this blog and that now innit and this is precisely what I’m supposed to be doing with it, not posting scathing yet accurate calumnies and groundbreaking works of modernist literature and searing confessionals and shit.
So should I wear one or not? Let’s figure something out.
Let’s figure something out.
Alright so as I see it the basic conflict on the poppy thing is this: supporters say that it is a symbol of remembrance and supports a good cause, critics say it has been co-opted to support militarism, jingoism and a bunch of other bad stuff (not really sure what at this point).
I’m gonna say two things off the bat.
Firstly, the loss of life in the First World War (which is what I would initially presume the poppy and the whole Nov 11 remembrance thing is in aid of) is appalling and deserves to be remembered – as a tribute to those who died and as a warning not to do no shit like that again. World War 1, from what I can make out, was a fucking liberty. The leaders of the richest countries in the world decided to butt heads and kill huge swathes of each others’ – and their own – populations for absolutely no reason worth a damn. What a pile of cunts. What absolute evil was enacted. What tragic folly. Let’s remember that, let’s point the finger at the people, the institutions and the ideas that drove that pointless slaughter. Let’s not forget the culpability of the British government in all of it either.
Second, anything that David Cameron is well into is something I am immediately suspicious of. So we’re starting with a point up on both sides.
With that stuff out there let’s examine the competing claims. What does the poppy symbolise and what does it support?
I’m gonna start with the easiest question – what does the poppy appeal materially support? In other words, where does the money go?
Hold on let me just google some shit…
Alright google says the poppies are sold by the British Legion, who use the money raised to support wounded and retired service people and bereaved families. Which is fair enough. It’s not a charity I would personally set up a standing order to but chucking a quid in a bucket is something I’d be happy to do. Can we push this to find fault? Maybe we could say that relying on charity to help people in that position absolves the government of something which is rightfully their responsibility. But the same could be said for most, if not all, charitable endeavours. As a general point I think taxation and social spending is better than charity. But in an imperfect world charity has its place. Alternatively we could say that charities like this are too jingoistic and pro-millitary. I don’t think the act of helping people who have been damaged by time in the army is either of those things though. They’re not (ostensibly) raising money for recruitment drives. So I think on this count I’m mildly pro-poppy. It’s a little bit of money to a fairly worthy cause.
Alright so what about the symbolism then? And what about the less tangible effects of that symbolism?
I thought going into this that the poppy symbolises the war dead in WW1 and maybe WW2. The poppy certainly first emerged in the immediate aftermath of WW1 as an attempt to raise funds for returned servicemen and their families, as well as the families of servicemen who did not return. According to the British Legion’s website though the poppy is worn to commemorate “the sacrifices of our Armed Forces and to show support to those still serving today and their loved ones”. On the one hand this is narrower than what I would have assumed – there is no mention there of the civilian casualties of war – and on the other it is far broader, since the commemoration is not limited to the World Wars.
I can’t criticise the poppy appeal for not being about what I thought it was about – I’m not a well informed dude. But the ostensible symbolism we are asked to display is less of an immediate draw that the symbolism I had imagined. “Wear this to commemorate the millions who died in the World Wars” – yes, absolutely. “Wear this to commemorate the sacrifices of our Armed Forces” – maybe, give me a sec to think about it. For one thing, that’s kind of a vague statement. Are we being asked to commemorate the soldiers who died killing brown people in the good old days of empire? Or those who died in the dirty war waged against British citizens in Northern Ireland? I think, if we take the statement at face value, that we are. This might be seen as overthinking this issue, but I wore the poppy for years without thinking about it at all and I’m sure I’m not alone in that. If you’re going to make a symbolic statement it’s worth actually being aware of what you’re saying.
Let’s have a look at the second half of the ostensible symbolism “to show support to those still serving today and their loved ones”. Is that something I want to do? I think yes, probably. People in the armed forces do something really difficult and scary, and though I am fairly anti-war I think we do need a standing army*, thus people prepared to do this scary difficult thing. And people who are doing something scary and difficult on my behalf deserve my support in doing it. Their families too are clearly in a pretty horrible position, having someone they love off in danger for months at a time and possibly returning with physical and emotional scars, or never returning at all. They deserve support too.
*Actually I’m not sure if we need an army or not. It’s another thing I haven’t thought about properly, but for now I’m gonna err on the side of caution and say I reckon we do.
Taking the British Legion’s statement of what the poppy symobolises at face value then, I think I’m happy to support those still serving today and their loved ones, while I’m conflicted about commemorating the sacrifices of our Armed Forces. Some of those sacrifices I’m very happy to commemorate, some I am not. As a side note I’m starting to realise I’m not quite sure I know what ‘commemorate’ means. I think we should remember shady shit that our government and armed forces did in the past, I’m not sure that we should commemorate them. Should we commemorate the British concentration camps in South Africa? Seems like a no, although we should remember them (and perhaps commemorate the victims).
At this point I’m kind of on the fence. Looks like the poppy symbolises some shit I’m happy to visibly support, and some other shit I’m less happy to. On balance I think I probably wouldnt wear a poppy if it means what the British Legion says it does.
But critics of the poppy go a bit further still. The question we need to ask now is whether the poppy symbolises something other than what the British Legion thinks it does. We don’t always have total control over what the symbols we use mean, as the makers of Plopp chocolate are all too unaware.
To simplify this point a bit, I think some people claim that the poppy now symbolises “the army is good” or maybe “the army does good things”. This is a bit of a sticky one and I’m not sure I have appropriate context having grown up at the time I did. We certainly live in a culture where one of the greatest imaginable taboos is to badmouth the troops. We can criticise the politicians as much as we like, we can criticise wars, we can possibly criticise military leadership (though I imagine most, like me, consider ourselves so inexpert as to be incapable of doing so), but we cannot criticise the women and men who make up the armed forces themselves. I don’t personally have any criticism to level at those people, and as mentioned above I think we have good reason to be supportive of them, but the strength of this taboo is noticeable, and a little bit frightening. I think that, say, going online and calling British soldiers a bunch of murder-loving bastards would be a dick-move. But even tangentially poking at this issue in the spirit of inquiry I feel a bit concerned at the ramifications should I transgress the taboo. I’m not sure if the taboo is justified or not, my point is that it is strong.
Is this a new phenomenon? I’ve seen some stuff written online that suggests it is, though I’m sure that support-for-the-troops feeling spikes in times of active war (eg the 1910s, the 1940s and the 2000s). I think the connection some people are making is that people in power are harnessing this grass-roots emotional force in service of their political aims, that is turning support-the-troops into support-the-army and support-the-nation and support-us-your-leaders. I don’t know if this is true or not. To dispute it we could point to the British Legion’s statement and say “no, it means that”. But that’s not good enough, you can’t legislate for meaning. Stuff means what we take it to mean, not what somebody abstractly states that it means. It is certainly possible that the meaning has gone through the alleged change. There is a social pressure to be seen to be in alignment with the group on this issue that is a bit disconcerting and has echoes of nationalism and popular fervour, the same kind of nationalist fervour that was used to cajole young men in to signing up to die horrible deaths in the world wars.
I’m not sure I know what I think about this further argument. I’ve said that stuff means what we take it to mean. When I see a poppy I think about the First World War. My association may be based on a misunderstanding of the poppy appeal’s intended aims, but that is what those poppies mean to me. But meaning is not personal either. If the poppies mean something else to a significant number of people, if they symbolise blanket support of British military actions, if they actively inculcate such unthinking support among the populace then I don’t want to join in.
I dunno. I think on balance that I’ve talked myself out of wearing one, but I’m not sure I buy the argument that poppies have been co-opted to mean general jingoism and support of the army either. They don’t mean that to me, and I simply don’t know what they mean to others. I’ve heard that you can get white peace poppies. If I’d seen anyone selling those I’d probably get one but I’ve never seen em in the wild. Maybe you can get em online? Hold on let me do some quick googling…
Well, according to the Peace Pledge Union’s endearingly crappy website you can get em mail order, but due to an overwhelming demand they cannot guarantee delivery by Remembrance Day. Their facebook page says they’ve never sold so many and they’re totally snowed under and there’s now way they can get new orders in time for the 11th. Which is good, I suppose? Man I knew this was a hot button issue. Ah well, we’ll get em next year Raf.
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I’m curious what the poppy means to people. What does it mean to you?
I’m bummed I’m too late to get a white one too. Does anyone know anywhere you can get em?
Alright that’s it, next week maybe I’ll do the army thing.